How to start Retriever Training

                       By Michelle Linnane

 

There is 3 ways people start

  • They purchase a retriever puppy because they want to train retrievers.
  • They already have a retriever and do agility, obedience, show and decided they wanted to try something else.
  • They purchase a retriever puppy with the idea of turning the pup into a gun dog.

 

      

A PLACE TO START WITH OLDER DOGS

  On our training links page there are many articles about starting a puppy, but none of them deal with how to

start an older dog.  And there are some many people that come out to train in this boat I thought it was time

to address this issue. I have also created a glossary of field terms. 

 

A WORD OF ADVICE

  I would like to say here and now that I do not claim to be an expert. I have been training for many years, and

have had 2 field champions, about 17 dogs that were all age qualified, 3 on the derby list and two that have

qualified for nationals. But I feel I have much to learn, once you stop learning you are dead as a trainer. You

must never stop learning.  But there are some people who have trained dogs for a while. They may have placed

a title on their dog. But this does not make them knowledgeable trainers. It just means for now, they know a little

more then you do about dog training. Years of training do not mean this person knows what they are doing.

Dog training is an art and science.

 

BECAREFUL IF THEY ACT LIKE THEY KNOW EVERYTHING

 Be careful of what I call the 90 day wonders. A hunt test title or years of training does not mean they know everything

or even know the right things to do. Just remember what the meaning of the word expert is

(EX is a has-been; SPERT is a drip under pressure).

OK enough said about this! 

 

Here a flowchart that we all follow, don't be overwhelmed just take one step at a time.

Just take a look and then get your dog retrieving, the chart will come in handy later

Retreiver Training Flowchart?

 

This is how I have helped people in the past. 

 What I am telling you is not the only way, it may not be the best way, but I have done this before and it has worked

for me in the past. Again I do not claim to know all there is to know about dog training.

 

How most people begin

 Most people do not start out with a field breed retriever. But you have to learn some place and there is no

point in not learning with your current dog. If somebody tells you this is as far this dog will ever get after

a JH junior hunter title. They clearly do not know how to advance a dog. This DOES NOT MEAN IT WILL

BE EASY! You will have to work your butt off. But with the right kind of training you would be amazed at

what can be accomplished.  

 

 

Phase 1

   What equipment do you need to start retriever training.

           6  White small knobby   2" x 11"

           2  Roy Gonia Dog Whistle – Clear

           1  Lanyard

           1  Flat dog collar

           1  Check tab attached to the collar about 12 inches long

           1  50 foot check cord 

First Step

   Training a puppy and the older dog will be similar in some ways, the equipment you need. Listed above is a small list

to get you started. The equipment is something that will apply for a puppy and an older dog. Very often we start a

puppy retrieving down the hallway with a sock or a toy. I would suggest if you are working with an older dog and

your retriever, retrieves a ball switch him over to a bumper.  

 

 Flow chart of Yard work. Retreiver Training Flowchart?

    I have copies the steps from a flow chart from Lardy, and these are the general steps everybody follows

to train a retriever. I did not invent these steps I just follow them.

 

Puppy

 You puppy is a blank slate I would follow the guide lines laid down in the training manuals and DVDs.

 

The older dog

  I am assuming the dog has done agility, or obedience. Your older retriever must have the following basic skills. Come

when retrieving something it does not have to be a bumper. They must walk on a leash, they must understand what sit

and stay. Stay can be a little loose.

                   Formal Obedience

                       Heel (2 sides), Here, Side and Front Sit,

                       Sit to Whistle

For the older dog I would skip two sided heeling. Just make sure the dog will sit in front of you and will heel when

you stick your hand out on the left. Whistle sit can be taught later. Do it, the same way you taught the dog to sit when

you used the command sit.

 

Starting to retrieve

  Start by retrieving out in the yard. This is the big dog version of retrieving down the hallway. If you throw the

bumper and they run out sniff it and then go on don’t be upset. Walk over pick up the bumper and place the dog

on a leash. Starting swinging the bumper around and saying something to get the dogs attention we use hey, hey,

hey, hey, then throw the bumper. You must restrain the dog lightly do not let him get the bumper right away to build

a little prey drive. Do not make the dog sit, we use a leash to restrain for a reason. You need to act like an idiot to

get the dog interested sometimes. I can not tell you how many times I have made a fool of myself trying to get and

older dog interesting in retrieving a bumper.  

 

  Very often we use an older dog to get a puppy excited about retrieving. The big dog gets three retrieves and the

other dog watches, they are secure by a leash. Then we let the watching dog have one retrieve and then let the other

dog retrieve one more time. Then this end the session. EVEN IF THE DOG WANTS MORE NO! Keep doing this

until you have built up enough interest so that the dog will run out and pick a bumper when you thrown it every time.

 

Move to a school yard or park

 Once you have mastered this go to different spots and repeat this until they really like to retrieve. Don’t try and steady

the dog we want them crazy to retrieve. We do so much   with small puppies that these older dogs do not have the

experience and realize this is fun. It always amazes me how much we teach puppies just by habits we have formed

raising them. Always praise the dog when they pick up the bumper (with in reason).

 If  the dog does not come back keep a leash on do not punish for anything just reel them into you. Once your dog

can do this they are ready to come out and we first throw marks on a lawn so they see the bumper. My puppies get

marks in lawns until they are almost 11 months old.     

 

You need to build love of retrieving and that takes a while you may throw marks for the dog for a few months before you

ever go to force fetch. The dogs generally tell you when they need to be force fetched. They get sloppy, drop the bumper.                    

 

Ready to find a training group.

Phase 2

   Now is a good time to read the link Training Group Etiquette,

   You will understand what is expected in a training group.

      What equipment do you need to start retriever training with a group:

·  12 white bumpers (write you last name on them with a magic marker) 

·  1 or 2   two-way radios

·  22 caliber blank pistols 

·   white jackets

·   Lawn or folding chair

·   good size LL beans bag to carry bumpers in

·   camo umbrella

·   roll of white tape

·   pair of hearing protection    

 

Nobody has everything day one, this is why the more years you are in the sport you have triple everything.  So don’t worry

your first day, but collect equipment as soon as you can. After training with a good group for a while more then likely you

will be ready to start on more yard work.  After your dog can do some good singles you may need to start or are ready to start:   

                Force Fetch

                    Hold

                    Ear Pinch

                    Walking Fetch

                    Stick Fetch

                    Simple Casting

                    Right, Left, and Back from Remote Sit

 

After this is complete you have a decision to make do you want to use an e-collar. If you are lucky you will never see a

person loose their temper with a dog or burn so they scream. If you have a person in your training group that does this it

can turn you off. But this is not the way to train and the collar was the best thing that every happened for retriever training.

Find another training group.

 

Phase 3

  Now is a time to decide about a collar I would recommend either Tri-Tronics  

http//: www.tritronics.com

http://www.dogtra.com/

or get a reconditioned collar at

http://www.collarclinic.com     the collars I am recommending have a track record

  

             E-Collar Conditioning

                   Obedience

                   De-bolt

                   Collar Fetch

                   Introduction to Indirect Pressure

 

By the time you get here with an older dog you can follow the normal Mike Lardy

flow chart for training.